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Israel and Germany share 'unique relationship'

August 18, 2020

Israeli and German fighter jets have performed a first ever joint flyover at Dachau concentration camp to honor Holocaust victims. DW spoke with Israel's ambassador to Germany, who was on site for the occasion.

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Issacharoff and Kramp-Karrenbauer walk away from a memorial at Dachau
Jeremy Issacharoff (left) marked the occasion with German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-KarrenbauerImage: picture-alliance/dpa/S. Hoppe

DW: Germany is and will always be a very special partner for Israel. Was it moving for you to see soldiers on Tuesday on the grounds of Dachau, one of the first German concentration camps during the Third Reich? How was it to see Israeli and German soldiers side by side?

Jeremy Issacharoff: First of all, it's an image that has a tremendous amount of power. We are together, going through a place that was of great misery between Germany and the Jewish people. And for many years it's been a very difficult part of our history to deal with, between Israel and Germany. And I think the image of Israeli soldiers, alongside their German colleagues, and being able to see German fighter jets and Israeli fighter jets flying wing to wing in the skies of Germany is a real sense that we have passed a very major part of history and established a very unique relationship — despite the fact that our history is so difficult. We have been able to transform that burden of history into a real opportune common challenge for peace.

The Israeli pilots are 30, 35 years old. You spoke with them on the ground in Dachau. How emotional was that experience for them?

You may know that one of the Israeli pilots, whose grandfather was a survivor of Dachau and whose father was a pilot, who was killed while serving in the Israeli Air Force, gave a very moving speech. It was a speech which really gave a very personal moment to a very major event of significant relations between our two countries. That was again a very inspiring moment to see how the memory of Dachau has been translated for this person into a commitment, as he said, towards reconciliation and friendship with Germany.

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Jets in formation as part of the joint Israeli-German military flyover
The joint Israeli-German military flyover was the first of its kindImage: picture-alliance/dpa/S. Hoppe

The pilots also crossed the Fürstenfeldbruck Airfield, where Palestinian terrorists killed 11 Israelis during the 1972 Olympic Games. You were a young man when that happened. Do you remember your how you felt?

Well, I was at the time actually 17, and I remember the terrorist attack very well. I think, like everyone else in the world, I remember the sportsmen coming into the stadium in Munich with the flag, being so proud of them — and then seeing the attack happen and how it unfolded and how many of them were killed. When I first became ambassador to Germany, President [Reuven] Rivlin came here to open the memorial for these athletes. So, it's been something which I followed very closely and it always had a very deep impact on my sensitivity and on my emotions.

Both the Israeli and German Air Forces are now carrying out exercises together over Germany and Western Europe. The Israeli Defense Forces are one of the strongest militaries in the world. Do you really need this program here? Or is this first and foremost, an act of joint remembrance of such a dark history?

The visit in Dachau was — for now — a very strong part of this ongoing cooperation. The ceremonies which we had today in Dachau included a very significant portion of remembrance and talking about what happened in the Second World War and in the Shoah, and how the relationship between Israel and Germany has developed since then. But these exercises between Israel and Germany are not mainly symbolic. They have tremendous amounts of meaning and also tremendous amounts of cooperation between the two air forces. Both air force commanders are very good friends and developed a very important relationship in exchanging information and discussing techniques and challenges that both air forces face. So, this is not something that is "nice-to-have." It's a very real symbol of a growing relationship that is becoming much closer and serving both countries' interests and values. And, at least, it also remains one of the most important ways of eradicating anti-Semitism when both our peoples come to see how the emerging strategic partnership can serve their interests and contribute to their common values, prosperity and security.

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